可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#253604講者:Speaker: Audrey TangIf they really want something to get done, I’m personally a programmer. We complement the work of the social sector, but we’re not relying on the social sector for this work. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-01-04 Conversation with Stefan Heumann