可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#199917講者:Speaker: Hannes HoferYou don’t have a hundred years’ history or something like this, so it was easy for you, probably, to come up with new ideas. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-07-23 Conversation with Hannes Hofer