可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#199916講者:Speaker: Hannes HoferI asked you before about models, and I think what I heard, you pronounced this very politely and said that you found very nice -- what was the right word -- history was not... 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-07-23 Conversation with Hannes Hofer