可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#135417講者:Speaker: Audrey TangSometimes it’s better to have champions, and sometimes it’s good to have a hierarchical control. I’m certainly not saying that anarchy is solution to everything at the moment. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-01-04 Interview with Anders Frick