可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#9619講者:Speaker: Audrey TangRight, the gamification is really our main contribution, not anything technical. We’ve made it into a game. That always works. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2016-07-30 Interview with Nesta