可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#83977講者:Speaker: Alex HannantI think some of these boundaries have been, ultimately, about managing risk, so have become ideological. It’s important to renegotiate some of our thinking around that. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2017-08-29 Meeting with Alex Hannant