可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#72232講者:Speaker: Rufus PollockYes, exactly, but these two things then combine with a choice. What then comes in is a big choice here. That choice is open versus closed. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2017-02-08 Rufus Pollock visit