可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#72040講者:Speaker: Rufus Pollock...confuse it with open in any way. In English, "clean" is very different from "open", so you probably weren’t saying... 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2017-02-08 Rufus Pollock visit