可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#628373講者:Speaker: Jon AlexanderSomething like that. I hesitate because I consider myself to be an idealist more than a pragmatist, but maybe I’d describe Audrey as a radical pragmatist.逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2025-11-28 How To Save Democracy