可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#619913講者:Speaker: Shoukei MatsumotoThat’s easy to say, but for most people, even if they understand it intellectually, they still feel, “I need more money, more property,” and so on. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2025-01-23 Conversation with Shoukei Matsumoto