可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#564494講者:Speaker: InterviewerSounds good. So I think this is something that our readers would be really interested in, like your experiences there, and I think that was a year that really shaped you also, right? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2023-04-07 Interview with Der Spiegel