可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#548346講者:Speaker: Jeanette HofmannI think my last question concerns, actually your indicators of success. How do you measure your own success as a minister? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2023-03-13 Conversation with Jeanette Hofmann and Kuo-Wei Wu