可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#548342講者:Speaker: Jeanette HofmannGenerally, the relationship hasn't changed. Because I heard that there is also more criticism now, that you face some criticism. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2023-03-13 Conversation with Jeanette Hofmann and Kuo-Wei Wu