可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#52016講者:Speaker: Philip EppsAre you a bureaucrat now? Is that sort of how you see yourself, just sort of shepherding the ideas, or are you more of an activist? I saw you, my first hit was you’re an activist. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2017-04-17 Philip Epps visit