可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#505308講者:Speaker: Ian WilliamsI see. It's on the one hand is the broader sense to try and undermine institutions and confidence. Then there's a more practical target of getting... 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2022-05-16 Interview with Ian Williams