可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#498419講者:Speaker: Audience MemberIf you can cite some examples to illustrate the relationship between the two, I would appreciate it. Thank you very much. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2022-02-23 Lecture at the Innovation Governance Expert Program, the Graduate School of Public Policy, the University of Tokyo