可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#477866講者:Speaker: Audrey TangAnyway, so, fact checking aside, I think that the point here is that I always call myself a Taoist. Taoist in the sense of 為無為, doing by not forcing, right. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2021-05-27 Interview with Tagesspiegel