可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#476303講者:Speaker: Eshanthi RanasingheIt's also what you mean by fun, which I really appreciate. It doesn't have to be just a punitive system that government enforces. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2021-04-29 Interview with Rob Ricigliano and Eshanthi Ranasinghe