可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#475345講者:Speaker: Audrey TangWe deliberately adopted this culture to turn human-centered design -- including service design -- into a shared vocabulary between the IT people and a public servant. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2021-06-11 Conversation with Jun Murai, June 2021