可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#473844講者:Speaker: James ChaterIs that the kind of ideal form of governance you see for the rest of the world in the future? What does the ideal form of governance look like for you across the world in the future? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2021-04-22 Interview with The Wire