可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#464773講者:Speaker: Matthew ClaudelRight. A crisis is not the moment for certain kinds of experiments. My doctoral work was around civic experimentation. You don’t do an experiment if you have no idea what the variables are. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2021-03-22 Conversation with Matthew Claudel and Jayne Eagle