可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#447367講者:Speaker: Peter PomerantsevBasically, we’re saying, with non-democracies, which is a different set of…That has to be one of the standards that promotes openness. Openness goes together with other open systems. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-12-09 Conversation with Anne Applebaum and Peter Pomerantsev