可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#447304講者:Speaker: Peter PomerantsevHow do we get that right, or what is the real…? We get transparency a lot as the solution, and I just wondered, as one thinks it through, when does it end? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-12-09 Conversation with Anne Applebaum and Peter Pomerantsev