可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#440635講者:Speaker: Michael TuchfeldWould you say that in order to gain the people to collaborate or discipline, you have to gain their trust? That’s the major thing in governing, won’t you say so? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-11-05 Interview with Michael Tuchfeld