可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#420998講者:Speaker: Audrey TangThat really needs to change, and we are changing that. The effect could only be seen maybe 20 years later at the cabinet level. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-05-21 Interview with Matthias Sander