可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#420782講者:Speaker: Matthias SanderEven if you say you don’t change things – maybe I’m not precise enough – you want to change the culture, right? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-05-21 Interview with Matthias Sander