可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#403653講者:Speaker: Klaus BardenhagenHow well do the other ministries work together with you? Some more, some less. Which ones are more hesitant to implement your ideas? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-06-05 Interview with Klaus Bardenhagen