可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#401244講者:Speaker: Audrey TangI don’t think this is about the lack of technologies. This rather is whether the civic technologists see themselves as civil engineers, and whether the government also sees them that way. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-05-07 Interview with Sarah Sommer