可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#390826講者:Speaker: Audrey TangThat’s why I learned very early on not to call people users, because if you call them users, you distance from them. You don’t get to learn from them. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-04-13 Interview with Claire Hatton and Greta Thomas