可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#388037講者:Speaker: Maaike Okano-HeijmansThat’s interesting. Sorry to be jumping from one topic to the other. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-04-07 Interview with Maaike Okano-Heijmans