可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#387952講者:Speaker: Maaike Okano-HeijmansStill, within a certain country, you can never hold people accountable, but the question is, are we going to have a discussion? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-04-07 Interview with Maaike Okano-Heijmans