可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#377907講者:Speaker: Jan VollmerIf politicians are now more facilitators, they also could be just desk officers, but they wouldn’t need to have necessarily a party association, do rallies, and all this kind of things. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-11-06 Interview with Jan Vollmer