可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#371854講者:Speaker: Audrey TangThey’re making citizens transparent to the state. What we talk about – making state transparent to the citizens. It’s kind of mirror image out there. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-01-03 Interview with Martin Aldrovandi