可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#371726講者:Speaker: Martin AldrovandiYes, yes. My first question really is, if you can say that, what’s the difference between being a government minister being here at the executive here, and being like a hacker? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2020-01-03 Interview with Martin Aldrovandi