可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#342503講者:Speaker: David LanzendörferAre there water rats… I mean, recently, the rats came, for Estonia’s e-government. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-11-27 Hernâni Marques and David Lanzendörfer visit