可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#342491講者:Speaker: David LanzendörferEspecially Switzerland, also with this image of, “Yeah, we stand independent here.” Then the US comes, “Hey, can we make a spying post?”, “Yeah, easy.” [laughs] 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-11-27 Hernâni Marques and David Lanzendörfer visit