可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#333393講者:Speaker: Carl MillerDoes that mean that if democracy becomes irrelevant, fossilized, doesn’t reform, it could actually collapse before it’s reformed? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-07-19 BBC Click Interview part 1