可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#327832講者:Speaker: Audrey TangYou can measure a lot of proxies, but then it’s proxies, like how transparent, how inclusive, how participatory, and so on. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-04-06 Conversation with Tom Atlee and Colin Megill