可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#30749講者:Speaker: Max KalkhofWhen did you realize that there is something like a hacking scene, a hacking culture, and when did you get attached with this scene or with this culture? 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2017-02-14 Interview with Max Kalkhof