可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#28498講者:Speaker: Chieh-Ting YehMy mental image is a downward ladder (下台階). They have steps where instead of jumping off the cliff, there are steps where they can gradually... 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2017-01-10 Chieh-Ting Yeh visit