可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#270986講者:Speaker: Jeffrey BardzellHe talks about the preservation of life or design in the same way that good design are those that take primitive forms and that transform them but that primitive structure is still there. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-12-07 Interview with Jeffrey and Shaowen Bardzell