可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#270827講者:Speaker: Jeffrey BardzellI have a certain idea of what I think that means, but I’m curious what you think it means. Then we can compare notes. [laughs] 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-12-07 Interview with Jeffrey and Shaowen Bardzell