可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#270577講者:Speaker: Jeffrey BardzellThere’s another word in there, but I can’t remember what it is, National Craft, something, Research Institute in Caotun. We interviewed several master crafters. This is back in 2011, I think. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-12-07 Interview with Jeffrey and Shaowen Bardzell