可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#270565講者:Speaker: Shaowen BardzellLike amateur creativity, in the sense that it’s not like the professional going to design school, architecture school to be creative, but everyday people, regular folks. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-12-07 Interview with Jeffrey and Shaowen Bardzell