可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#269430講者:Speaker: Miriam MeckelMy question goes more into the direction of whether it’s the basic ideas, getting rid of KPIs like GDP, open source government ideas, not in terms of data but in terms of... 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-02-16 Interview with Miriam Meckel