可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#269175講者:Speaker: Audrey TangAs I would say that when we do public participation, I always frame it as an instrument for inclusion, inclusion being the ideal and participation being the instrument. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-02-16 Interview with Miriam Meckel