可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#255189講者:Speaker: Peter BloomThat is a really interesting point as well, about what is the relationship between systematic change and the experimentation that is really implicit within any system, within itself. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-01-07 Conversation with Peter Bloom