可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#253592講者:Speaker: Stefan HeumannYou have mainland China across the water. If they want to get involved into controversial discussions, that could undermine them, and potentially... 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2019-01-04 Conversation with Stefan Heumann