可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#236500講者:Speaker: Frederic LalouxI imagined people would say if you’re willing to use power in the old way, the existing system has no problem with using power in the old way. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-10-31 Conversation with Frederic Laloux