可引用的發言段落Citable transcript turn#236359講者:Speaker: Audrey TangThen all the ministries went and provided scientific evidence that it doesn’t actually save energy, it doesn’t increase tourism unless you want to overwork people, and so on. 逐字稿導覽Transcript navigation查看前後文View context分享此段Share turn來源逐字稿Source record2018-10-31 Conversation with Frederic Laloux